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	<title>Comments on: Feedback vs. Advice &#8211; That Blurry Line</title>
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		<title>By: Naomi Epstein</title>
		<link>http://visualisingideas.edublogs.org/2012/10/23/feedback-vs-advice-that-blurry-line/comment-page-1/#comment-961</link>
		<dc:creator>Naomi Epstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2012 16:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dorit!
Now this is advice I can relate to! This discussion though is making me more aware of the fine tuning, not being judgemental.
Thanks!
Naomi]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dorit!<br />
Now this is advice I can relate to! This discussion though is making me more aware of the fine tuning, not being judgemental.<br />
Thanks!<br />
Naomi</p>
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		<title>By: Naomi Epstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naomi Epstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 21:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Posted on behalf of Dorit Renov:

the writer has probably borrowed a distinction made in relationship discourse between pointing out a fact (you left grease stains on the table) and being judgmental (you should pay attention to what you&#039;re doing), feedback being a reiteration of what one has done. e.g. &quot;you just threw the cat off the balcony&quot; as opposed to &quot;what have you done idiot&quot;

this distinction has little bearing on the situation you&#039;ve described regarding where, etc.
whether you say it one way or the other, you&#039;re talking about facts. should we leave it to the students to draw their own conclusions?
that&#039;s a bit far-fetched in a classroom situation. 

i would stick to your gut feeling 
and leave the advice/feedback to situations such as 
you seem to be feeling down today
as opposed to
cheer up life is short and there are people who are REALLY suffering
people who go around tooting the latter deserve to be told the same when THEY&#039;RE suffering.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Posted on behalf of Dorit Renov:</p>
<p>the writer has probably borrowed a distinction made in relationship discourse between pointing out a fact (you left grease stains on the table) and being judgmental (you should pay attention to what you&#8217;re doing), feedback being a reiteration of what one has done. e.g. &#8220;you just threw the cat off the balcony&#8221; as opposed to &#8220;what have you done idiot&#8221;</p>
<p>this distinction has little bearing on the situation you&#8217;ve described regarding where, etc.<br />
whether you say it one way or the other, you&#8217;re talking about facts. should we leave it to the students to draw their own conclusions?<br />
that&#8217;s a bit far-fetched in a classroom situation. </p>
<p>i would stick to your gut feeling<br />
and leave the advice/feedback to situations such as<br />
you seem to be feeling down today<br />
as opposed to<br />
cheer up life is short and there are people who are REALLY suffering<br />
people who go around tooting the latter deserve to be told the same when THEY&#8217;RE suffering.</p>
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		<title>By: Naomi Epstein</title>
		<link>http://visualisingideas.edublogs.org/2012/10/23/feedback-vs-advice-that-blurry-line/comment-page-1/#comment-955</link>
		<dc:creator>Naomi Epstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 13:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kate!
What an interesting video! It just stresses the importance of thinking of that fine line. The students in my adult classes are there beause they could not successfully answer reading comprehension questions on an academic text. The phrasing of &quot;comrehension strategies I&#039;m presenting for you to think about and experiment with&quot; might be more useful than&quot; here&#039;s what I think you should do to improve your performance. Ah, the power of words!
Thanks for stopping by!
Naomi]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate!<br />
What an interesting video! It just stresses the importance of thinking of that fine line. The students in my adult classes are there beause they could not successfully answer reading comprehension questions on an academic text. The phrasing of &#8220;comrehension strategies I&#8217;m presenting for you to think about and experiment with&#8221; might be more useful than&#8221; here&#8217;s what I think you should do to improve your performance. Ah, the power of words!<br />
Thanks for stopping by!<br />
Naomi</p>
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		<title>By: katenonesuch</title>
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		<dc:creator>katenonesuch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 21:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My advice about giving advice??  Don&#039;t do it. I made a short video.
http://www.ns.literacy.ca/ttvideo_advice.htm
(My work is with adult students in literacy, basic education or GED programs.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My advice about giving advice??  Don&#8217;t do it. I made a short video.<br />
<a href="http://www.ns.literacy.ca/ttvideo_advice.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ns.literacy.ca/ttvideo_advice.htm</a><br />
(My work is with adult students in literacy, basic education or GED programs.)</p>
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		<title>By: Feedback vs. Advice &#8211; That Blurry Line &#124; Eclectic Collection &#124; Scoop.it</title>
		<link>http://visualisingideas.edublogs.org/2012/10/23/feedback-vs-advice-that-blurry-line/comment-page-1/#comment-953</link>
		<dc:creator>Feedback vs. Advice &#8211; That Blurry Line &#124; Eclectic Collection &#124; Scoop.it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 07:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] &quot;Grant Wiggins warns against giving advice instead of feedback. In fact, he makes a strong case why giving advice instead of feedback is inneffective. Advice includes value judgements (Seven Keys to Effective Feedback). I don&#8217;t &#8220;get&#8221; it. I&#8217;m having trouble differentiating between the two. &#160; I&#8217;ve always been told to phrase comments so that they would be helpful and the students would understand what they need to do to improve the quality of their work. Now that seems to be labeled as advice.Wiggins says this is not worth much if not preceeded by descriptive feedback. First the student needs information regarding the effects of the action in relation to the goal. From what I understand, instead of saying &#8221; next time remember to include a name of a place if the question word was where&#8220;, I should say &#8221; points were lost because the question word &#8220;where&#8221; was ignored. Is that what he means? I&#8217;m not sure. It doesn&#8217;t sound more helpful to me.&quot;&#160; [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &quot;Grant Wiggins warns against giving advice instead of feedback. In fact, he makes a strong case why giving advice instead of feedback is inneffective. Advice includes value judgements (Seven Keys to Effective Feedback). I don&rsquo;t &ldquo;get&rdquo; it. I&rsquo;m having trouble differentiating between the two. &nbsp; I&rsquo;ve always been told to phrase comments so that they would be helpful and the students would understand what they need to do to improve the quality of their work. Now that seems to be labeled as advice.Wiggins says this is not worth much if not preceeded by descriptive feedback. First the student needs information regarding the effects of the action in relation to the goal. From what I understand, instead of saying &rdquo; next time remember to include a name of a place if the question word was where&ldquo;, I should say &rdquo; points were lost because the question word &ldquo;where&rdquo; was ignored. Is that what he means? I&rsquo;m not sure. It doesn&rsquo;t sound more helpful to me.&quot;&nbsp; [...]</p>
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